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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:25 pm Post subject: Psionics in Pharagos |
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Sna may magDM na pwede uli ung psionics....
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:05 am Post subject: |
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You guys probably already know this, but I just have to post it here.
Due to the increasing popularity and gameplay-breaking power of psions, the astral construct was toned down so that you can only have one construct active at any time. To get at least one more, you'd have to grab some feats or PrCs.
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dark_axis
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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Chic, I tried to play the ectopic adept prestige class and it rules. You get the fire powers of a psion and the fighter role is taken by the astal constructs. hehehehe 
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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This is probably the best thread in which the psionics history of Pharagos should be placed.
Dark_Axis mentioned something like my character being the first psionic character in Pharagos. Assuming its truth (either Mieke the monk/psywar or Yvonne the psion), the mind flayers allied with Vrahn Targaryen I should be a good start, especially since they have psionic equivalents in the EPH.
But if you guys want me to start it off from Yvonne or Mieke, I can do that. Although I believe that Yvonne is way too inexperienced to start anything important (last I checked, she was at 5th level).
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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| First character, yes. First ever in history of Pharagos, I do not know. |
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 7:36 pm Post subject: Prehistory Bit on Psionics |
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Your characters aren't the first psions on Pharagos, though certainly the first for quite a while. On a prehistory note, the Illithid Imperium had a sizable presence on Pharagos before the rise of the modern human and demihuman races, which is how the Gith know of Pharagos, many of their ancient Battle-thrall Legions serving their Illithid masters on this, one of the many Throneworlds of the Imperium. The mind flayers left a legacy of psionically enhanced creatures and a few bloodlines with the taint of Illithid blood in their veins (though not all psions need have a trace of mind-flayer or gith blood).
As another note, the known population of Pharagos that is psionically sensitive/active has jumped in the past few years since the Githyanki Incursion. More to follow (hopefully) on Friday...
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| It will help, Revan, if you give how common/rare psionics is compare to arcane magic or divine magic or magic as a whole. |
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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Prehistory
-Illithid dominion and psionic Gith Battle-thralls are a common sight.
Post-Illithid Imperium
-Loss of many psionic creatures. First known appearance of Gem Dragons in Pharagos
-Near-total extinction of most naturally psionic creatures. Fragments of Illithid Imperium move to below ground for refuge, taking the few other natural psionic and psionic predatory creatures with them.
-An colony of unknown number of elans is established after limited planar contact. These elan hide among the general public and study those with psi potential.
The Mandrakor War & the Battle of the Daemonscar (~15 years from present? need to check the timeline)
-Tiber Septim unleashes the Song of Destruction
-Spontaneous development of psionic power among many Mandrakor survivors, as well as dwarves in the Nordmaar, Humans in Northern Selentia and Theira, and elves in Silvermyr and the Kingdom of Lunarion
-Untutored exposure and unleashing of psionic powers drives many of these spontaneous wild talents and psions to the brink of madness. Those few who survive are frequently misunderstood as either mages, or some sort of witch or warlock. The survivors are a mixed lot, some believing their powers to be divine gift/curse, magic, or whatever. A few are educated by elan and a few other natural psions and wilders to gain an understanding of their powers. Some of these spontaneous talents come to the attention of the Illithid of House Axom, which begins recruiting a psionic intelligence network in the surface.
The Gith Incursion
-Githyanki return to Pharagos, introducing many of their own psionic techniques and skills (introduction of the Psychic Warrior class)
-Vlaakith repeatedly triggers the Song of Destruction and Creation as a weapon of mass devastation. Selentine Intelligence notes the spontaneous creation of wild talents among some sentients caught in the blastwave radius.
Modern Day
-House Axom boasts one of the most extensive psionic networks in Arcania and Pharagos. Arcanian psions are invited to join House Axom. Those who refuse...disappear.
-The Selentine Intelligence Network has also caught on to the espionage uses of psi, though their efforts are nowhere near as refined as the Axom's
-A surprising number of Psychic Warriors develop in the Northlands of the Daemonscar and Theira. Many of spontaneous talents are exposed to Mandrakori and Gith techniques and become psychic warriors or soulknives rather than psions. Clan Darkhope makes extensive use of these mission-specialized psiwarriors, as well as psions for intelligence gathering.
If you guys need more flavor, we'll see what we can do. Psi should still be rare, almost unheard of except in Theira/Daemonscar, Arcania, Selentia, and the Elven Dominion.
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dark_axis
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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one problem though I don't think that the illithids are to be the dominating race of the psions first and foremost a presence of mindflayers would definitely attract attention from psionic characters which hate the illithid scum. flavor wise psychic warriors are the embodiment of the perfection of mind and body thus they must have seen a psion of great power thus they want to achieve such power to.
And to start an independent psionic race in pharagos, i want to start a school for psions where by selection humans could be transformed into free elans unlike those arising from the illithids.
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| dark_axis wrote: | | one problem though I don't think that the illithids are to be the dominating race of the psions first and foremost a presence of mindflayers would definitely attract attention from psionic characters which hate the illithid scum. |
Which is why, of course, the 'thids make it a point to either get nascent psions on their side, or eliminate them quickly, quietly, and efficiently. Once you begin to develop signs of talent, Axom's agents study you. If you're found worthwhile, they give you the "choice" ("Join us or die"). As it stands, any nucleus of resistance against 'thid psionic dominion is either absorbed or neutralized. This has changed recently as the elan have begun revealing themselves post-Daemonscar. Selentine Intelligence Network has also made it a point to provide sanctuary for psions fleeing illithid intimidation. The illithid network is extensive and thorough, but it definitely isn't infallible, and independent psions can still slip between the cracks.
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flavor wise psychic warriors are the embodiment of the perfection of mind and body thus they must have seen a psion of great power thus they want to achieve such power to. |
True for some psychic warriors, but not all. Psions might not always be the inspiration for psiwarriors, especially since psions focus on the mind almost to the exclusion of the body. Psiwarrior has more of a cool mix of martial and psi, which is why it tends to work nicely with warrior cultures seeking a mystical background (which is why I decided to introduce it through the Mandrakor and Gith). It has many similarities to the Swordsage in its quest for spiritual, physical, and mental. A warrior, for example could be searching for a way to unlock his inner willpower, accidentally opening up his own reserves of psi energy. Others might have natural talent for psi, but their more martial bent means that they do not receive/excel in psion training, instead taking up the mantle of psiwarrior.
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And to start an independent psionic race in pharagos, i want to start a school for psions where by selection humans could be transformed into free elans unlike those arising from the illithids. |
Possible, but such human transformations may draw the ire of nature religions, and human supremacists from the Fists of Zarus. Try to set it up, and we'll see from there.
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Revan wrote: | | dark_axis wrote: | | one problem though I don't think that the illithids are to be the dominating race of the psions first and foremost a presence of mindflayers would definitely attract attention from psionic characters which hate the illithid scum. |
Which is why, of course, the 'thids make it a point to either get nascent psions on their side, or eliminate them quickly, quietly, and efficiently. Once you begin to develop signs of talent, Axom's agents study you. If you're found worthwhile, they give you the "choice" ("Join us or die"). As it stands, any nucleus of resistance against 'thid psionic dominion is either absorbed or neutralized. This has changed recently as the elan have begun revealing themselves post-Daemonscar. Selentine Intelligence Network has also made it a point to provide sanctuary for psions fleeing illithid intimidation. The illithid network is extensive and thorough, but it definitely isn't infallible, and independent psions can still slip between the cracks.
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flavor wise psychic warriors are the embodiment of the perfection of mind and body thus they must have seen a psion of great power thus they want to achieve such power to. |
True for some psychic warriors, but not all. Psions might not always be the inspiration for psiwarriors, especially since psions focus on the mind almost to the exclusion of the body. Psiwarrior has more of a cool mix of martial and psi, which is why it tends to work nicely with warrior cultures seeking a mystical background (which is why I decided to introduce it through the Mandrakor and Gith). It has many similarities to the Swordsage in its quest for spiritual, physical, and mental. A warrior, for example could be searching for a way to unlock his inner willpower, accidentally opening up his own reserves of psi energy. Others might have natural talent for psi, but their more martial bent means that they do not receive/excel in psion training, instead taking up the mantle of psiwarrior.
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And to start an independent psionic race in pharagos, i want to start a school for psions where by selection humans could be transformed into free elans unlike those arising from the illithids. |
Possible, but such human transformations may draw the ire of nature religions, and human supremacists from the Fists of Zarus. Try to set it up, and we'll see from there. |
I don't tghink that it will arise any problems with nature religions as long as the balance is maintained considering the laws of how long a being lives he still has a time to die where the inevitables will have to do the job thus they are not disturbing any balance. If ever by viewing it in a bigger spectrum such as destiny, the creations of new elans maybe destined so the nature lovers will have nothing against it. Plus the elans are a race they carefully choose their subjects and not focefully create them thus there is no discussion with regards to nature religions because if they hinder it in anyway they would be destroying a race and that would disturb the balance.
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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We have a psionic group that transforms humans into elans.
We also have the 'thids that transform humans into ilithids.
Humans are quite a commodity huh?
I don't think that the group which transforms humans into elans would be looking for members in open. As revan said, it would draw the ire of nature religions. It would draw the ire of human supremacists. SOme law-aligned relgion would find it unnatural. And mentioning it as a school means it has financial, political, and other misc backers for it to go smooth.
Enemy list:
1. Zarus supremacist
2. Nature religions
3. Law religions
4. Ilithids
5. Possibly githyankis (xenophobe)
6. Inevitables as you said.
7. possibly also the allies of enemy list 1-6.
Allies:
Possible allies ... i can't think of any, seriously. With such number of enemies in list you have to establish how its pros could outweigh its cons.
The reasons the ilithids in Arcania could do it is because it has political, military, financial, magical, etc backers. Not surprisingly, Arcania has lots of enemies, not to mention shaky internal systems.
I think it could be done, axis, but you have to establised lots of things.
| Quote: | | flavor wise psychic warriors are the embodiment of the perfection of mind and body |
Trivia: Monk's actually achieve perfection of their art at level 20. Just saying trivia. Nothing significant.
| Quote: | | one problem though I don't think that the illithids are to be the dominating race of the psions first and foremost a presence of mindflayers would definitely attract attention from psionic characters which hate the illithid scum. |
Ilithids are long already in existence even before the elans. Hence it is not inconceivable that ilithids are the dominating race of psions. |
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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In my campaign world (which was seen through by a couple of old-time DMs from 2nd Ed over here), the Elans (EPH) and the Synads (CPsi) have formed an underground - and I mean super secret - society, that not even the Flayers allied with the drow nor the Flayers allied the Established Houses (umm, similar to Eberron's dragonmarked) have been able to completely keep an eye on. This society competes directly with the said Flayers in the 'harvesting' of talent, especially since psionic talent is seen almost as sacrilege in light of the more accepted divine and arcane arts. Those Elans and Synads who have garnered enough experience and powers have been successful in penetrating into the general society (even into prestigious positions in the Established Houses, hence the relative intelligence against Flayer activities), and have been helping out this secret psi-society.
This secret group is considered a mere myth by others, hence its relative safety from other groups. If any individual has even confirmed its existence, the other religious orders are hesitant to strike, either 'coz they aren't fully convinced of its existence, or 'coz they somewhat fear these psionic masters - battling one or two of these 'demented tricksters' is one thing, taking on an entire community of brain-twisters is quite another.
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Xtian wrote: | | Ilithids are long already in existence even before the elans. Hence it is not inconceivable that ilithids are the dominating race of psions. |
I agree. It is even believed that the other psionic races were offshoots from intimate encounters with Illithids. These other races are supposed to have wanted to learn the ways of the mindflayers and thus began a more in-depth study of the self and of the mind from a different perspective.
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | offshoots from intimate encounters with Illithids |
offshoots?
intimate encounters?
ilithids?
tentacles?
I really feel emman's presence here. |
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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Pardon the pun. I was using their...dictionary equivalents...with "intimate" meaning "close" and not "romantic"... 
And who said anything about tentacles? shikima! shikima!
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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*Casts Raise Thread*
Was the issue of magic-psionics tranparency already addressed? ...
My position is that they should be transparent. Meaning magic=psionics. I can defend it if the situation warrants it.
Anyone can say his/her position. |
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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me too. it's just a lot easier for me, personally.
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It's easier, true. It's just weird, personally. That's why I still go for magic is not psionics rule, even if it makes my life harder.
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:06 am Post subject: |
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| mnightsilver wrote: | | It's easier, true. It's just weird, personally. That's why I still go for magic is not psionics rule, even if it makes my life harder. |
What do you think of its impact in game balance?
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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Counter-spelling, spell-stacking, feats, etc... you're actually translating powers and classifying them into schools. What if a transmuter takes psion levels? Should his metacreativity powers be increased in DC? If he is restricted in taking up spells from a certain school, should he be able to manifest a power from that school?
We do know the answers to those questions, don't we?
I'd not say outright that it would be imbalanced. The mechanic is actually too broad for me to see all the munchkinry that can happen in a magic-psionics transparency rule. And I know one of you will be able to break it. It would be, as mnightsilver said, different. The rules for either mechanic would change, with magic as the "base" rule.
Personally, I don't have any objections, as it is your game here, but I just state my opinion because it is HGC's core plane. And I also think that you must finalize the unification of all rules that you would use in this plane, as a standard for the org.
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| supertotoy wrote: | | Counter-spelling, spell-stacking, feats, etc... you're actually translating powers and classifying them into schools. What if a transmuter takes psion levels? Should his metacreativity powers be increased in DC? If he is restricted in taking up spells from a certain school, should he be able to manifest a power from that school? |
Magic-psionic transparency does not work that way. So your point is moot.
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/psionicPowersOverview.htm#psionicsMagicTransparency
| d20srd wrote: | Combining Psionic And Magical Effects
The default rule for the interaction of psionics and magic is simple: Powers interact with spells and spells interact with powers in the same way a spell or normal spell-like ability interacts with another spell or spell-like ability. This is known as psionics-magic transparency.
Psionics-Magic Transparency
Though not explicitly called out in the spell descriptions or magic item descriptions, spells, spell-like abilities, and magic items that could potentially affect psionics do affect psionics.
When the rule about psionics-magic transparency is in effect, it has the following ramifications.
Spell resistance is effective against powers, using the same mechanics. Likewise, power resistance is effective against spells, using the same mechanics as spell resistance. If a creature has one kind of resistance, it is assumed to have the other. (The effects have similar ends despite having been brought about by different means.)
All spells that dispel magic have equal effect against powers of the same level using the same mechanics, and vice versa.
The spell detect magic detects powers, their number, and their strength and location within 3 rounds (though a Psicraft check is necessary to identify the discipline of the psionic aura).
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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Yes they have the ramifications clearly stated there, but how could you explain this clause?
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Though not explicitly called out in the spell descriptions or magic item descriptions, spells, spell-like abilities, and magic items that could potentially affect psionics do affect psionics. |
So it's not really that moot...
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| supertotoy wrote: | Yes they have the ramifications clearly stated there, but how could you explain this clause?
| Quote: | Psionics-Magic Transparency
Though not explicitly called out in the spell descriptions or magic item descriptions, spells, spell-like abilities, and magic items that could potentially affect psionics do affect psionics. |
So it's not really that moot... |
Yes it is moot. And you being the one who assesses, you explain how that sentence supports your earlier assertion. The sentence you quoted only describes the rule, and it is not the rule itself. The actual rules are written below that sentence, after the words following ramifications.
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