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Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 8:42 am Post subject: PHB 3 |
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Yup. Psionic, divine, and primal classes. Whee!
And Githyanki!
The minotaur, however, is perplexing. Don't we already have those?
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Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 9:06 am Post subject: |
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| BJ wrote: | | The minotaur, however, is perplexing. Don't we already have those? |
Just to put it in the books, i suppose. It is originally from Dragon mags, but they just want it on core. Just like what they did at those illusion spells for wizards.
more divine and primal classes are coming? I wonder what would they be
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Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 10:12 am Post subject: |
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I imagine the ki classes will see a lot of transfer into psionic.
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Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 11:11 am Post subject: |
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Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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Ki classes are the following:
Kensai
Ninja
Samurai
I think there are a lot more but these are the ones that I remember. Plus, cool PHB 3. Will definitely get one. But I just want to be sure that psion would be included. It would dissapoint me a lot if none of the original psionic classes were included if that would be the case I'd be scraping off the idea. So you better keep me updated here BJ so that I could decide immediately.
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Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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Finally, the Gith! And more feats for Divine characters, which is always useful. My friend's face went  when she realized her husband's wizard had way more feats to choose from than her cleric.
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Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 9:20 am Post subject: On Ki as the asian power source |
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| dark_axis wrote: | Ki classes are the following:
Kensai
Ninja
Samurai
I think there are a lot more but these are the ones that I remember. Plus, cool PHB 3. Will definitely get one. But I just want to be sure that psion would be included. It would dissapoint me a lot if none of the original psionic classes were included if that would be the case I'd be scraping off the idea. So you better keep me updated here BJ so that I could decide immediately. |
Okay. First off, the kensai (kensei) is already a fighter Paragon Path, so we're okay there.
Now, don't worry about these classes suddenly becoming psionic; one of the reasons why they did not like ki as a concept is because it just becomes a shoehorning of the asian themes.
Design and Development writes:
| Quote: | We also didn't want to simply shove all the classes inspired by Asian cultures into one power source for the sake of bundling them together. Frankly, that strikes me as equivalent to piling every class drawn from Western cultures into the same source. Does it make sense to group witches, knights, jesters, and friars into one power source?
The concept of the monk drawing energy from within was a good match for psionics. When we looked at classes like the shugenja, the wu jen, the ninja, and the samurai, we came to similar conclusions in matching them to other power sources. In some cases, like the samurai, we're more excited about using an approach similar to the Dragon articles on gladiators and assassins. |
Onward to speculations!
*It has been shown that the mystical and deceptive nature of ninjas would be a good fit for the shadow power source, the same power source necromancers and their ilk are thought to have.
*Samurai, as stated above, will most likely be a set of multiclass and normal feats that you can slap onto an existing character. Frankly, I like this approach a lot, as samurai can be very diverse (ie, belong to multiple classes)
*Psionic classes would be around, and I expect, at this point, to see some of the old ones return. Rumors have it that the soulknife will be a monk Paragon Path, and I definitely want to see the psion again (although they say that the empath, seer, kineticist etc may be split into different classes)
*What I really have no idea at the moment is what they'll do with the divine and primal power sources. My hope is that they come up with something interesting, and not just add more for the sake of adding more.
Now, since I am a DnDi subscriber, I will have first-hand accounts on the "completed PHB3 content" that will be available online. So I will continue to update you guys beginning July. 
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Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 9:51 am Post subject: |
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That would be cool. Soulknives for monks....hmmm. That actually is a good idea. Separating kineticist, shapers, nomads, egoist, seer and telepath seems to be far fetched that would be six different classes or are they planning to remove some of them...hmmm. I hope they would just stick to the ideas of discipline rather than separating them.
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Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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I'd have to agree with most of what they're planning. It was pretty lulzy for me as an L5R player for them to group together the Scorpion, Crab, and Crane Samurai in one class, when those three could not be any more different from one another in the L5R system...
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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I'm really wondering what other primal classes they're cooking up. Maybe some of the classes for ki'll end up there instead? Or maybe stuff from some of the abandoned power sources (like elemental)?
And LOL, 3E ORIENTAL ADVENTURES. OHH DA PAIN! 
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Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:39 pm Post subject: Monk updates! |
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For those who've tried the monk, and found it severely lacking as a striker, i have news (as of the monk debut in DDi):
*Monks now have a ki focus like the assassin. Unlike the assassin, however, the ki focus is a tangible implement (prayer beads, training manual or what have you). It more or less functions in the same way, including the ability to use it for your unarmed strikes or other held weapons. (Imagines a monk with a mordenkrad @___@)
*All of the monk's powers that used to be weapon-based are now implement based instead. In most cases, every 1[W] is replaced by 1d10, which is one damage die higher than the unarmed strike's d8.
*The unarmed monk still deals a base of 1d8, and is still at a +3 proficiency, but the text about enchanting them is completely gone. Not a problem, as you can just use the ki focus to enchant it (for basic attacks and multiclass weapon attacks, I imagine).
*Centered flurry now deals 2+wisdom modifier damage, and can slide the target whether it was the target of the triggering attack or not. The scaling still comes in multiple targets rather than more damage, which I liked the first time.
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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Wow. that actually sounds promising, IMO.
Wait, so all powers now are implement-based? So there are no longer 'monk weapons'?
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Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:48 am Post subject: Ardent! |
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Monks can use weapons with which they are proficient in as implements (monk+mordenkrad proficiency=  ).
In other news, the ardent is confirmed as the psionic leader. Flavorwise, it instills hope in its allies psionically (or gives fear to enemies), so he's like a warlord that forces you to be inspired, in that regard.
Tech-wise, he gets the power point system we first saw in the psion, is charisma (with a wisdom or constitution secondary) based, and heals with a defensive kicker for the wis build, or an offensive kicker for the con build.
So there you have it. So far, ardent, monk, and psion for the psionic, while we have seeker for the primal.
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:35 am Post subject: |
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PH3 Excerpts: Feats
so minotaurs are in as well.
impending victory is cool and strong 
Hafted Defense is the TW Defense for polearms and staves.
Unarmored Agility is like Leather Armor Prof without wearing anything
then suddenly Superior Implements! 
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:34 am Post subject: |
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Yey!! Unarmored agility ftw now I can fix my character Alazlam!!!
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:23 am Post subject: Quoted replies. |
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| erwin wrote: | | so minotaurs are in as well. |
Gee, I would never have guessed that based on the cover pic that I posted, well, nine months ago. 
| Quote: | | impending victory is cool and strong |
It could be useful, but it depends on the dm's style. It's not very useful if he/she likes to throw brutes in preference to soldiers. Besides, it doesn't help your encounter powers, and sometimes you want to deal more than 1[W]+abi damage.
| Quote: | | Hafted Defense is the TW Defense for polearms and staves. |
Intriguingly, there's a fair chance that it will stack with the defensive property of staves granted by staff fighting. 
| Quote: | | Unarmored Agility is like Leather Armor Prof without wearing anything |
Yep, now wizards have more reason to use cloth armor again.
| Quote: | | then suddenly Superior Implements! |
We'll see how these superior implements work out.
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:16 am Post subject: |
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| BJ wrote: | | Gee, I would never have guessed that based on the cover pic that I posted, well, nine months ago. |
Actually, I totally didn't notice. I was so interested in the content that I forgot to take notice of the cover
New excerpt is up. an Ardent PP
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:14 pm Post subject: Spoilers! |
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Some lucky shmuck gets a review copy of the PHB 3. You can see his spoilers.
To me, the biggest news comes from the races. All four are in the form of the changeling, with a +2 on a constant score and a +2 on one of two variable scores.
Hmm, I guess I should edit the tikbalang slightly for that dex bonus. XD
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