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BJ
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 6:36 pm Post subject: The totally Lame Political Thread |
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I'll start. Pardon me for being a tad bit opinionated.
Politics or Something Like It
I've never been a fan of Trillanes. Sure we went to the same High School, he and our CAT commandant most probably know each other (heck they have similar mannerisms), but his Oakwood mutiny a few years back just was in bad taste. But hey, I respect him for having his own opinion, and for being able to make people listen albeit briefly.
Heck, I respect his taste for hotels.
I liked him even less when he ran for Senate. If he was so opinionated about the system being flawed, then why did he seek to be a part of it? His supporters say he can affect change from within. Okay, let's give him the benefit of the doubt. I'm not voting for him, though. No way.
So he became a senator. Woop-ti-do. Almost immediately the first problem came; he was still in custody, and was not allowed to perform his duties as a political personality. In this particular case i agree with him: Why allow someone to run if they won't allow him to serve anyway?
Then he decides to walk out of his court hearing and make a stand in Manila Pen. "Now is the time for change!" He says. He calls for the people, the eleven million Filipinos who voted for him, to join him in Makati. All is set for a grand event that would propel him into history.
But he had a few problems:
*It was that cold yesterday. Not a lot of people are willing to go out into the rain and join him for a cause that could very well have lasted for days.
*The military he used to work for is loyal to GMA. Sure they are soldiers themselves, but they are severely outnumbered. He should read Sun Tzu.
*They were under-equipped. Tanks were beyond them.
He had, however, one gem; he claimed to have the will to fight. His resolve was impressive, was inspiring even. When he declared that he will stand his ground 'til the end, even I was impressed. While I am not among those who hate Arroyo, I believe that a "martyr's death" would be beneficial to their cause.
I believed Senator Trillanes would die for a reason. He would die a true Filipino's death.
Then he misplaces his balls and surrenders, citing the "media's safety" as the cause for his cowardice.
I am disappointed at Trill, because for a moment I thought a true Filipino had surfaced. I am disappointed in Trill, because as a man, you should stick to your beliefs. As a man, you should stand by your decision and go with it, even if it is Death that awaits you in the end.
The welfare of the media had nothing to do with his surrender; it was merely a convenient excuse. Media know that they are in the middle of danger, and they know that it's part of the job. You were scared Trill; you thought they wouldn't actually try to kill you. You are not a man.
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Xtian
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 3:06 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Pardon me for being a tad bit opinionated. |
It's fine. Freedom of speech rahrahrah!
Heh, in other boards political, social, and religious discussions get mods' attention more than sex discussions. In some, they are all banned. In Wizards' board they all go in mature threads.
| Quote: | | Why allow someone to run if they won't allow him to serve anyway? |
Because he was qualfied to run that's why he was allowed. The military however does not want to tolerate this. Gringo is enough and Trillanes following big brother's footsteps no way!
The reason I can see why he did a walkout was a gamble. Bonifacio day is a symbolic day for every leftist and he though he could gain mass support if he should call them. He was pushed to a wall and desperate. Too bad though, it was badly planned.
Another reason why he failed is that people are too tired of people power. Two people powers and the system is still... bad (though some may argue that there are three or only one people power). The time difference of two people powers (16 years(?)) are not long enough to show significant change then Trillanes calls for another one. Two people powers in one lifetime is too much let alone three.
Trillanes should had fought there till the bitter end so he could be killed. If he got killed then he would be a good example that what he did was not right. Yes I know many people would decorate him as a hero and would rally to his cause but to the people he caused destruction, chaos, and inconvinience, nope.
And also, the goddamn media. Some of those mediamen should had been killed too. Freedom my ass what they were doing was obstruction of justice. They use the word freedom too much. Hell, grab any newspaper and read. Most of the time articles there are biased. THe only newspaper that is not biased (at least in headline) I know is Manila Bulettin. They use the words "truth is relative" too much.
Overkill? I don't think so. But i find using the APC assaulting the Pen's main door ... funny. Hell, I actually find assaulting using the front door... funny. Not in some other doors but front door. Anyway I don't think it was an overkill. If there's something I learned watching movies, make sure the villain is dead before you turn your back on him. In real life make sure that the situation is entirely in you control. The curfew is not an overkill. Arresting mediapeople is not overkill especially the rebels disguised as mediapeople.
There were many opportunies that the Arroyo government could have ceased to set an example. But I applaud them for finishing it early before more rebels came.
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:22 am Post subject: |
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Is this the best we can do?
Vietnamese school kids (well, college students) at times of protest can go so far as standing in front of the embassy, declaring why they're doing what they're doing, pouring gasoline on themselves, and setting themselves ablaze. And one guy, a supposed military tough guy, can't even die a man's death? Tsk tsk.
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Xtian
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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That's precisely what's so sad about our crop of politicians. They can say whatever they want, but when it's time to put up or shut up, none of them are willing to stick out their necks.
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Revan
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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On Timing and Execution
One day too early is my personal assessment. If he had actually done it during Bonifacio day proper, with all the rallies going on, maybe he might have pulled it off.
On the Man Himself
Personally, I agree with a comment on the BBC somewhere that Trillanes himself is significant not as a personality but as a symptom of the problems in the political system. I'll try to look up the specific quote if I can.
EDIT: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7118575.stm
| BBC wrote: | "Trillanes is a manifestation of a fragmented but increasingly assertive opposition in the Philippines," Mr McKee said.
"He is symptomatic of a very disfigured opposition. He is not significant in himself." |
There was something admirable about the chutzpah required for pulling off the Oakwood mutiny and running for Senator, but he killed all of that heroic buildup by surrendering like a little buttweasel.
On Storming the Front
As for the storming itself, it was nice, dramatic, and personally, I don't believe it was overkill. If anything, the place wasn't even properly locked down during the assault proper.
I've got absolutely no problem with the temporary detainment of media personalities until their identities were confirmed. I mean, c'mon, the grounds weren't properly locked down, there was a lot of confusion as to who was who, and even with the security lockdown, some of the rebs still escaped. I've heard some of the mediamen comment that they were just doing their jobs, etc, so I hope they also realize that the cops and troopers are just doing theirs. It was a fairly decent attempt to move people away from a hotzone so that they could be properly sorted out away from the chaos of the crime scene proper. Admittedly, the cops and troopers didn't seem quite sure what they were supposed to do, but the move itself made sense, even if it could have been executed in a much more coherent fashion.
Personally, the media should be allowed to cover things like this. It's part of their job, and an important part of any fair democracy is the free flow of information. My personal problem is when the media allows themselves to be used as tools, mouthpieces and scapegoats by anyone with a political agenda. Worst of all is when they try to play the oppressed hero card. Your noble profession has inherent risks. Deal with them.
As for our politicians, well, don't get me started on these people. But personally, my contempt for these guys is balanced by this point: "So what am I/we going to do about it?" We keep on saying that there's nothing good that we can expect from these stravag trashborn buttknockers, but if that's the case, are you going to step up and do something about it? If not, then may I request that you sit down and shut the effing hell up? Either do something about it, or put up with it. I am still in the stage when I'm willing to put up with it. A flawed system is better than no system at all, imo.
On the Curfew
LOL.
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EDIT: (#4 is a real gem, and excuse the Filipino http://penmanila.net/ see the Thursday 29 November post.)
| Butch Dalisay's barber wrote: | 1. If you’re going to launch a coup, make sure it has a real and reasonable chance of succeeding. Otherwise, bitin at nakakainis lang.
2. If you’re going to launch a coup, don’t call it off because people might get hurt; that was the point, di ba? Tear gas pa lang, sumuko na.
3. If you’re going to launch a coup, don’t let former VP Tito Guingona speak for you. He’s a nice guy, but he’ll go on and on in his Ateneo accent and soon put everyone to sleep.
4. If you’re a member of the media and want to cover a coup, don’t complain if you get hurt or get arrested. Don’t make yourself the bida of the issue, at least while the bigger thing (the coup, remember?) is going on. Pagtatawanan ka lang ng mga totoong war correspondent sa Iraq.
5. If you’re going to show popular support for GMA, don’t do it by gathering a group of Cavite mayors behind Gov. Maliksi. Parang barkada ng mga cattle rustler.
6. If you’re going to stop a coup, don’t remember to cut off the electricity five hours after the coup began. Makaka-recharge pa ng cellphone ang mga coup plotters.
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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Is it just me or does someone else feel that the whole Trillanes thing is somehow linked directly with the Glorietta Incident? and I don't me caused by
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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Well if it is, it just reinforces the notion that politics in our country is still defined by the three Gs
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BJ
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Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:45 am Post subject: |
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Raise Thread!
| boy_bakal wrote: | Is this the best we can do?
Vietnamese school kids (well, college students) at times of protest can go so far as standing in front of the embassy, declaring why they're doing what they're doing, pouring gasoline on themselves, and setting themselves ablaze. And one guy, a supposed military tough guy, can't even die a man's death? Tsk tsk. |
There's the problem with that particular course of action right there. The ones watching remember the kids burning themselves, but do you even remember what they were fighting about? No. Thus, I do not think that it is a valid means of expressing your opinion.
I'm not saying that Trillanes did any better, though. He went for shock value as well. One year later, you remember that he took over Manila Pen, but barely remember why he did it.
In any case, I actually liked this "action-packed" politics to the back-and forth, "eto nanaman tayo" graft and corruption political fight that we see today. I do not know too much about the current situation, but I think there's just something silly about politicians trying to expose each others corruption, when all of them are corrupt anyways.
My opinions may be misplaced, however. The current political scene is as sensical as our "Anything Goes" thread, and so I don't even follow it as well as I want to.
| Q wrote: | | Well if it is, it just reinforces the notion that politics in our country is still defined by the three Gs |
Eh?  Do you mean God, Gold, and Glory? I'm curious; how is the current political system defined by that?
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Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Q wrote: | | Well if it is, it just reinforces the notion that politics in our country is still defined by the three Gs |
Guns, goons and gold right?
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:47 am Post subject: |
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| dark_axis wrote: | | Q wrote: | | Well if it is, it just reinforces the notion that politics in our country is still defined by the three Gs |
Guns, goons and gold right? |
That's what I also thought.
What's the topic here anyway? Still Trillanes?
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 8:35 am Post subject: |
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Well, this is the Political thread in general. So, whenever something worth talking about in Philippine Politics comes up, feel free to post it here. 
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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Here's a political article that's more interesting in what it DOESN'T say...
| Quote: | Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's week long trip to Asia, her first venture abroad in her current post, is rife with opportunities, obstacles, and some key challenges borne of her family's personal legacy.
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Finally, there is Clinton's decision to make Indonesia, and not Thailand, her sole stop in Southeast Asia. Thailand has long been considered the key strategic U.S. partner in the region, but its leaders have increasingly become anti-democratic. The country now finds itself on the cusp of a revolution or coup. Clinton's slighting of Thailand is significant, but her stop in Indonesia, which recently completed a democratic transition of power, may be the bigger story.
"It is not simply that it is the largest Muslim country in the world," said Desal, "but I think the other reason is that, right now, when it comes to trade and environmental issues, there are actually a group of countries that are discussing these issues that are part of G20 and Indonesia is part of G20." |
The last two paragraphs I quoted say A LOT about how unimportant Gloria and the Philippines is to the Obama administration, and how we should probably re-think how big is our country's role in the US-Philippines dynamics.
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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I Lol so hard...
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