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The Undying Discussion...
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What can you say about Dirge the Undying?
  It's too good, it's imba! Icefrog better delete this hero!  
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  It's good and balance. I like it!  
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  It's good but needs buffing/nerfing. It has potential.  
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  It's lame. Not one of Icefrog's great ideas.  
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  I don't really care, I don't use it.  
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erwin
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Post Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:08 pm    Post subject: The Undying Discussion... Reply with quote
(The title sounds weird..)

Anyway, I created this thread to give way for a really good (well, maybe imba but not still sure) hero Dirge the Undying.
Basically, it's a decent hero, having high Str & Int stats.. but its Agi sucks, getting only 0.8 every lvl..

And so far it is the only new hero that has no sticky item build.. unlike darkseer, Raijin, Huskar, and others..
So, any ideas?
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Post Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Really? Dirge doesn't have a sticky build?Aren't Vladimir's Offering, Assault Ciurass, Mekanism, and Boots of Travel Efficient for him? Or are you referring to skill builds?
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Post Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
no, there aren't really any staple items for undying. he's actually not too item-dependent, which is good.

i find he tends to struggle in the late game. i guess it's his really crappy agi gains.
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Post Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Why are you trying to make Undying really powerful throughout the game? He's ok from early to mid game, and he does a lot of help with the zombie stuff... Though all though creeps become really crappy at late game, and he has doesn't pack a punch much with his damage or abilities. But he still has a goof niche for any team. He doesn't really need to be that good in one-on-one. I really don't think all heroes should have a "killer" build.
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Post Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
mnightsilver wrote:
Really? Dirge doesn't have a sticky build?Aren't Vladimir's Offering, Assault Ciurass, Mekanism, and Boots of Travel Efficient for him? Or are you referring to skill builds?

boy_bakal wrote:
no, there aren't really any staple items for undying. he's actually not too item-dependent, which is good.


I agree on boy_bakal. He needs a build/item that with it, Undying could turn the tide of the game Twisted Evil

supertotoy wrote:
Why are you trying to make Undying really powerful throughout the game? He's ok from early to mid game, and he does a lot of help with the zombie stuff... Though all though creeps become really crappy at late game, and he has doesn't pack a punch much with his damage or abilities. But he still has a goof niche for any team. He doesn't really need to be that good in one-on-one. I really don't think all heroes should have a "killer" build.


Yeah, maybe you're right. But it's really hard to powerup a melee int hero with no nuke skills(unlike Ogre Magi), especially that his minions are rather useless in late games (unlike Visage) which is bad because one of his skills is dependent on # of units present.. a sweeper/creepkiller can easily sweep those away...

Can you give any items that are really helpful to Undying, other than the ones said by mnightsilver?
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