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Xtian
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 5:57 am Post subject: Filipinos after EDSA |
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princessa
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 9:53 am Post subject: |
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It's a touchy subject.
On the Why Pinoys are Dumb vid:
Personally, I have very low opinions of Filipinos as a whole. I see it everyday. How Filipinos almost feel like they HAVE to break laws (even ones as simple as "no loading and unloading on street corners) and/or defy authority, just because THEY CAN.
I get pissed off whenever I see squatter areas. People living on stolen land, not paying taxes, not paying rent, etc.
Then you see comments against the RH bill.
So hey yeah. Another rants thread. Lolz.
Someone explain something to me, though. What's the difference between Parliamentary and Presidential?
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On the Ninoy + People Power vid:
It has the feel of "consipiracy theory" in it, we really can't verify anything now, so in the end, it'll really just fall on one's personal preference. Since my family (and subsequently, me as well) is for Makoy, I'll tend to believe that he was the Greatest President the Philippines ever had.
The man did great things, 'nuff said.
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Yo, Xtian. Depressing umaga ko. Haha. Thanks, man. This country really has screwed things up.
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Xtian
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Someone explain something to me, though. What's the difference between Parliamentary and Presidential? |
Here you go.
In parliamentary, people (entire citizenry of representatives) elect for members of parliament then the parliament (s)elects the prime minister. Compare to presidential, the people elect for the president.
One of the biggest advantage of this is that the popular vote for the single head of state is eliminated since a group of people selects it and the parliament is accountable for their selection.
In parliamentary, there's no more actor president. No more people power president. No more stupid people voting for incompetent president. The selection of head of states will be based on merits.
I do not know what kind of parliamentary government the proponents are pushing but I for one prefers federal parliamenty.
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Personally, I have very low opinions of Filipinos as a whole. I see it everyday. How Filipinos almost feel like they HAVE to break laws (even ones as simple as "no loading and unloading on street corners) and/or defy authority, just because THEY CAN.
I get pissed off whenever I see squatter areas. People living on stolen land, not paying taxes, not paying rent, etc.
Then you see comments against the RH bill. |
Same here. I hate the "I am poor so I have the right to break the law" mentality. Jeepney drivers, pedicab drivers, taxi drivers, sidewalk vendors, squatters, illegal drug peddlers, etc have this mentality. And our government...what the hell are they smoking when they thought of giving money to the poor? It is as if they are rewarding being in poverty.
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 7:49 pm Post subject: Oh, boy, a political thread. @_@ |
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Ninoy + People Power:
I agree with the video to the extent that I do not believe that Marcos himself ordered the assassination. Marcos may have been a lot of things, but he wasn't stupid. He knew as well as Ninoy did that the latter's death can be used as a symbol against him.
But then, who ordered Ninoy's death? Conspiracy theorists point to someone from the Cojuanco clan, while my personal preference is that it was done by a Marcos crony that possessed a level of stupidity that should not be redirected to Marcos. In the end, though, the truth is as difficult to ascertain as the specifics to Bonifacio's death.
As for People Power being a product of "Imperial Manila" rather than being representative of the Philippine nation as a whole, perhaps it is. But I raise two points:
1) 2% of the Filipinos joined People Power. But this does not imply that 98% of the Filipinos were pro-Marcos. Indeed, I dare say that a rally that can capture 2% of the entire population is a pretty significant indicator of a dissatisfied populace. And while it is just 2% of the entire population, I am more interested in learning the EDSA rallyist: Metro Manila population ratio. I think that will be a more telling statistic.
2) Our government has been founded on the whole premise of Imperial (Luzon) Manila. The 1896 revolution was not the Philippine Revolution but a Tagalog Revolution. It later on transitioned into Aguinaldo's Revolucionarios, but it still encompassed only the provinces in Luzon. There were other revolutions before, but they 1896 revolution was the first to think in the lines of creating a state. Like it or not, the events of Imperial Manila currently dictate the direction of the nation.
Why Pinoys Are Dumb
This is a misleading video, but there are good points here. Primarily, Pinoys are dumb because there are groups that are invested in keeping them that way. The sensationalist media feeds us only what they want us to hear. Education as a government platform is ignored. People are tricked or coerced into voting people into power.
However, points #4 and #6 are not reasons for our ignorance but the manifestations of it. So to say that we are dumb because we are dumb is a circular argument that is only presented for sensationalism. (Hmm!) Yes, the Filipino breaks laws. But this is a cultural rather than a governmental flaw. The Filipino breaks the law when it is convenient for him to do so. Vis-a-vis, the Filipino prefers immediate gratification to long-term progress. THIS is our sickness, whether you're the jaywalking pedestrian, the kotongero cop, or the corrupt congressman.
Meanwhile, point #7 attacks the 1987 constitution by highlighting its imperfections (yes I know it has flaws). Does a 40% limit on foreign ownership truly disrupt our economy? I will need better statistics than, "Singapore does it, and we all know Singapore is wealthy." But maybe it's worth investigating. EDIT: Also, I've read the Constitution, but I don't recall any such restriction on foreign investments. Then again, it may just be my faulty memory. I should verify this.
And now on to my real problem with the video/s. They claim that the parliamental system is the silver bullet to our problems. And to prove their claim, they show economically successful parliaments and poor presidential counterparts. But you see, I do not believe in the "parliament implies progress" "fact." You see, with some research, I'm fairly confident that I can just as well cite poor parliamentary countries and rich presidential ones.
But is the parliamentary system the right solution for the Filipino? My opinion is that it is... eventually. That day will come only when we begin to trust our two legislative houses, because I believe that these are the same people that will be elected in Parliament.
Let's get back to the question: Why are Filipinos dumb? I give you my own list:
1. The government does not prioritize education.
2. Filipinos prefer immediate, short-term gratification to long-term planning.
3. The ignorance of the Filipinos are monetized by certain groups.
4. Political dynasties are continuously in power to protect the said groups, or may be the said groups themselves. A shift to parliament will not change this.
To me, the solution is long-term: Prioritize education. And by this I mean true education, and not 4-yr "training courses."
Tao o Gobyerno: Sino Dapat Magbago
You know, my reaction to this is simple - Why can't it be both??
A parallel is the question, "bakit natin inaatupag ang RH Bill, kung dapat ay korapsyon sa gobyerno ang tuunan natin ng pansin?" You see, the RH Bill addresses the lack of information/education of the masses. I support the RH Bill because it aims to fix a problem via education. But at the same time, there are continuing attempts to look into corruption in the military and the civilian government. In the same light, we must acknowledge that we need to change as much as the government does.
But there is a truism here. Government officials are the representatives of the people. They are corrupt because, basically, so are we. We prefer to feed the kotong cops because it is easier than getting your license back the legal way. We snatch office supplies and mystify the inventory people. When the jeepney driver does the math wrong and gives us more change than we should get, we keep the surplus! The man earns 400-600 a day, darnit!
The Filipino tao MUST change, because the government official IS a Filipino tao.
In Summary
The latter two videos push the parliamentary agenda. I actually agree with the first one, but then it goes on to point a finger at someone in the darkness. The EDSA revolution was a great triumph for our nation, but our negligence of its spirit in the aftermath of the event is systemic of the aforementioned Filipino tendency for instant gratification.
But I will agree with one thing - the masterminds of EDSA know how Filipinos think. They mystified and personified the spirit of the 1986 revolt into this gigantic "Lady of EDSA" in front of Robinson's. Who is she, really? Is she Mother Mary? Is she Emilio Jacinto's Kalayaan, or Bonifacio's Ynang Bayan? Is she Cory? One way or another, Filipinos respond to religion and respond particularly well to female/maternal representations of it. The Spanish friars of old understood this, and whoever raises EDSA to ever higher points of mysticism understands this as well.
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