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Pitz-Ikko
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 12:17 am Post subject: Fave ECL 20 Builds |
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Hey, it's been a while since I've seen you guys, and I'm wondering if you'd like to share your favorite ECL 20 builds. Just post 'em up here with the relevant info (mainly Race and Classes).
For starters, here are some of my faves:
1a. Illumian Cleric 10/Contemplative 10: Without relying on min/maxing, this build is still powerful.
1b. Illumian Cleric 3/Church Inquisitor 2/Divine Oracle 5/Contemplative 10: A variant of the earlier Cleric build, just a little more complex. This is nothing but an improvement on the first as you gain more abilities without losing on spellcasting. Hard RPing, however.
2. Human Druid 20: Do I need to even explain. Powerful buffs and support spells, decent healing, great abilities, and an animal companion to boot! What's not to like?
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BJ
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 5:38 am Post subject: |
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I prolly haven't given this build as much thought as Pitz-Ikko's , but still (Xtian helped, too):
Incubus hexblade2/rogue2/blackguard4.
Virtually passes most save DC's with no ill effect whatsoever. 
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Xtian
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Incubus hexblade2/rogue2/blackguard4 |
Should be Incubus hexblade3/rogue2/blackguard2/X1
At hexblade2 you're not getting mettle  |
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Pitz-Ikko
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 9:57 am Post subject: |
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You want a Cha-based combatant?
Gloura Cobra-Strike Monk 2/Fighter 2/Arcane Duelist 3/Blackguard 3/Mystic Wanderer 1. A friend gave this to me. Gets Cha bonus to AC four times, and to saves twice. With LA buyoff, you can get a couple of Pally of Slaughter levels to get another Cha to saves for a whopping Cha bonus to saves thrice!
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Xtian
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Pitz, where's mystic wanderer from? |
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Pitz-Ikko
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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Mystic Wanderer is from Magic of Faerun, or at least that's what I used (in case there's a newer printed version).
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Xtian
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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cleric1/druid19
Divine metamagic persistent spell. Do it on Owl's insight. Get some items that increases caster levels. Get monk's belt. Make the party fighter cry. |
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Xtian wrote: | | Quote: | | Incubus hexblade2/rogue2/blackguard4 |
Should be Incubus hexblade3/rogue2/blackguard2/X1
At hexblade2 you're not getting mettle |
Right you are, Xtian. well, hexblade 3, then.
incubus hexblade3/rogue3/blackguard2. there.  [/b]
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Xtian
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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Kobold Wizard4/Sorcerer1/Ultimage Magus 10/Archmage 5
Feat: Practiced spellcaster
With Greater Rite of passage from RotD web enhancement.
Wizard Spellcasting 19/Sorcerer8. |
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Pitz-Ikko
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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Dwarf/Human Barbarian 1/Hexblade 2/Fighter 2/Occult Slayer 5/Exotic Weapon Master 1/Frenzied Berserker 9: A non-caster build that is still pretty formidable. If Dwarf, I'd go with the Dwarf Fighter substitute level for the Axe Focus ability. If Human, scrap the EWM and go for FB 10 instead.
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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Fighter 20
Good attack bonus! (laughs at druids and clerics  )
Second best HD in the game! (laughs at druids and clerics )
No alignment restrictions! (laughs at druids and clerics )
11 class feats! No other class/prestige class gives you that much feats! (laughs at druids and clerics )
Access to fighter-only feats! (laughs at druids and clerics )
Automatic tower shield proficiency! (laughs at druids and clerics )
make a sense sarcasm check against DC 10. Failure means you believe fighter is superior to cleric/druid. lol |
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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^...rolls over when forced to make a Will save! ><
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:46 am Post subject: |
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hehehehe
i think elan shaper 5/ectopic adept 5/ constructor 10.
"Face my astral constructs!!!!!!!!"
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Pitz-Ikko
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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| dark_axis wrote: | hehehehe
i think elan shaper 5/ectopic adept 5/ constructor 10.
"Face my astral constructs!!!!!!!!" |
Personally, I won't take the Constructor 10th. The ability granted at that level isn't worth the loss of manifester level.
Elan Egoist 10/Thrallherd 10
Elan Egoist 5/Anarchic Initiate 5/Thrallherd 10
Elan Egoist 5/Thrallherd 10/Sangehirn 5
I dunno. I guess I just like having lackeys working for me. 
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:35 am Post subject: |
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hehehe but isn't the quickened constructs on the tenth level????
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:58 am Post subject: |
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| dark_axis wrote: | | hehehe but isn't the quickened constructs on the tenth level???? |
Yes, but at the cost of a manifester level. Besides, you don't actually need it since you'd be spawning a lot of constructs at the same time anyway, like 2-3 with one manifestation. That's just me, of course. I just haven't found a situation warranting *that* many constructs.
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:07 am Post subject: |
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heheheh you haven't seen bj throwing monsters with high CRs i think they credit the number of constructs heheheh
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:18 am Post subject: |
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| dark_axis wrote: | | heheheh you haven't seen bj throwing monsters with high CRs i think they credit the number of constructs heheheh |
Oh, I've seen it. Believe me, I know it all too well. I share in your pain, my brother. 
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:38 am Post subject: |
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the reason why is with the constructs deaths they all explode in one swift kaboom!!!!!
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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my other faves:
Human Rogue 1/ Wizard 5/ Fighter 1/ Daggerspell Mage 10/ Eldritch Knight 3
don't know if this build already exists but i sort of thought of it out of nowhere
just popped out of my mind ::POP!!::
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 9:31 am Post subject: |
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Well, I have another to DM a campaign here, and since nobody in the party seems built for frontline combat, I'm taking that mantle. And note: it's a gestalt game!
We start at 5th level, but I already have the build in mind:
Goliath Barbarian 18/Fighter 2 // Psychic Warrior 2/Hexblade 2/Occult Slayer 5/Frenzied Berserker 10 who uses a warhammer or a maul, for flavor. 
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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This is an old one, I think, but I really like it. It's more of an ECL 18 build, but...
Gnome Illusionist 5/Shadowcrafter 8/Shadowcraft Mage 5/X 2
Where X is some other PrC that you meet the prereqs of, or the last two levels of Shadowcrafter, or whatever.
This build gives:
-Full casting progression
-Access to all Sor/Wiz Evocation, Conj. (creation) and Conj. (summoning) spells (without tricky material components, foci, and/or XP costs)
-With DM's permission, and the proper Arcane Disciple selection, access to Miracle without the XP cost
However, one caveat: this build is highly dependent on spell/s with the Shadow descriptor. That means it's tricky for any planeshopping campaigns that will take place in planes that are coterminous with the Plane of Shadow.
I'm using this build right now in Eberron, and it's a blast! Early on you rely on your hard-hitting illusion spells, and later on when all your opponents can either counter your illusions or have insanely high will saves, you switch to evoker/conjurer mode and start raising some hell. At high levels particularly, you can enhance the quasireality of your illusions such that disbelief will actually hurt your opponents more. Furthermore, if you get the Craft Wondrous Item feat and your DM allows Arcane Disciple shenanigans, the party will never have to look too far to find tomes and manuals and such. So not only are you a very lethal gnome, you're also the party's second best friend (next to the party cleric/druid/healer, of course).
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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is the campaign an online one??? the gestalt game??? is it in this forum or your just sharing the info?
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Pitz-Ikko
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| dark_axis wrote: | | is the campaign an online one??? the gestalt game??? is it in this forum or your just sharing the info? |
Sorry, dude. Just sharing. The DM is one of my newer friends over here, a convert from 3rd Ed, which isn't that old.
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 9:02 am Post subject: |
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pitz whats the feat that makes arcane caster levels and divine caster levels stack for conjuration spells????
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Pitz-Ikko
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| dark_axis wrote: | | pitz whats the feat that makes arcane caster levels and divine caster levels stack for conjuration spells???? |
IIRC, it was Theurgic Specialist. From a Dungeons (or Dragons) mag. What it actually does is it stacks your specialist wizard levels with your divine caster levels for spells from your school of specialization. So, if you want it for Conjuration spells, you must be a Conjurer wizard.
IIRC, it's pre-reqs are: Specialist wizard, ability to cast 2nd-level arcane spells, ability to cast 2nd-level divine spells. That means Wiz 3/Clr or Drd 3 at the very least.
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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Here's a nice build:
Rogue 2/ Sorcerer 4/ Unseen Seer 5/ Arcane Trickster 4/ Spellwarp Sniper 5
Turn any area effect into a ray attack, add sneak attack, and Walla! Now as Christian suggested, if you can find a way to make Antimagic Field a 5th level spell, this build definitely will kick ass. (Antimagic ray with NO SAVE! Now that is just crazy...)
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 6:00 am Post subject: |
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I've been messing around with this character build in Mark's Eberron campaign, Cleric 6, Radiant Servant of Pelor(of Dol Arrah) 10,Contemplative 2, ----- 2
Got good will saves, great healing abilities, Great Base attack with persistent Divine Power and has other neato stuff. It's like the Swiss-Army Cleric.
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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Have you guys posted the ECL20 build that has base saves 40 (Fort, Rflx, Will)??
Emman said that it was already posted, but i can't find the thread.
I really wanted to see the build!
It interest me..  hmmm....
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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You know, that is still a theoretical build... I don't know if it's been completed yet.
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