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Xtian
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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| supertotoy wrote: | | @erwin: As far as I know, FS is not affected by BF. FS is an orb effect that places a non-purgable de-buff on an enemy unit previously attacked by Ursa Warrior. It deals a separate orb damage (type: Normal) from the hero's attack. However, since it's Normal damage, it is armor reducible and is affected by Vanguard, Stout Shield, Kraken Shell, etc. You can lifesteal from it, though (it shouldn't come from an orb of course...). |
Which means that with vlad's, fuzzy wuzzy will steal increasing amount of hp?
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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Xtian
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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erwin
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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Wait, when did I say FS is affected by BF?
| Xtian wrote: | Battlefury+Fury Swipes
Does the splash damage due increase because of FS? |
| supertotoy wrote: | | The answer is no... since FS is a de-buff... |
You're the one who answered the question, and I didn't disagree at you whatsoever. lol
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Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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@Xtian: I've used Ursa lotsa times, but stopped for quite a while. My standard build for him as of 6.48 is this: Heart of Tarrasque, Battle Fury, Vladimir's Offering, Power Treads and a Yasha. Are you guys sure about Fury Swipes not splashing? Doesn't Cleave check the damage ON the target before splashing?
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erwin
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 12:12 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, I have the same sentiments as msilver. I still have my thoughts whether "bonus" damage from corruption (stygian desolator) also splashes.
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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Deso's effect isn't bonus damage. First, Deso lowers the armor of the target. So you get no "bonus" damage at first hit. Every after attack after that has a "bonus" since the armor is lowered, which is part of the new damage calculation on the target hero. FS's effect is rather similar to static field which gives bonus damage before the attack damage.
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erwin
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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That's why I put "bonus" on quotation, bcoz i know they're not really bonus damage per se. Thanks for the explanation anyway. 
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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The answer to the question on whether "bonus" (well, for a lack of a better term, I must agree with you erwin) damage from Corruption splashes: It does. 
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:16 am Post subject: |
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i just want to ask if the copies created by morphling and by dark seer ( is he the one that creates the wall that creates copies of heroes who pass through??) are considered as illusions???
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erwin
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:50 am Post subject: |
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Yes on both heroes.
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Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:40 am Post subject: |
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Cool!!! Illusion team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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BJ
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Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 7:36 am Post subject: |
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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hahahahahaha you have never seen the power of the illusion team during a clash 5 against 15+ heroes 
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mnightsilver
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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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Still, nobody wants to comply with the same heroes mod with all players using Ishkafel with a Refresher Orb and a Manta Style. Do the math.
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 1:58 am Post subject: |
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I think it's plain and simple, maybe, because it will create a lot of chaos. Remember the aves incident where all players where named aves and you don't know who you are currently cursing. 
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:47 am Post subject: |
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hehehehe i forgot how to input cheats in warcraft. how do you do it again??? and what are the cheats??
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erwin
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:01 am Post subject: |
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just type it, with no spaces.
greedisgood 1000000 - you know what it does (only cheat with space iirc)
iseedeadpeople - always visible (map)
whosyourdaddy - you know this too
warpten - operationcwal of W:TFT
whoisjohngalt - skills requires no lvl (get ulti at lvl1)
thereisnospoon - skills has no cd, mana spent recovers instantly
that's just the basic. there is always the:
allyourbasearebelongtous
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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 1:32 am Post subject: |
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I see that's why it doesn't work. I've been typing with spaces between the words. 
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:42 am Post subject: |
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I downloaded 6.53 with ai. Damn why do the insane bots get 5 times the starting gold. And earn 5x experience. They are so hard to catch up.
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boy_bakal
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 1:24 am Post subject: |
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It's to make them challenging. AI of any sort from Warcraft will never match up to people, so they have to make it up by giving the comps hax exp gains and/or starting gold.
Still, I'm of the opinion that DotA maps with AI are strictly trial, meaning you only use them to see what new heroes/items are available. You're better off just going against one hero, or hell, just play the DotA map without AI so you can get a feel for the hero you want to practice.
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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Actually I use it to practice for heroes which have a lot of active skills. Unfortunately if that hero uses illusions they know which hero are you whenever I already have a lot of illusions which makes it sad.
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erwin
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Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 12:19 am Post subject: |
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The goal of AI games is not actually winning against them, but rather how many times you can kill them before they buy and use their items, which is always metagame to your character/items/abilities, or even the hero itself is anti to yours.
Then it comes to the point when you'll have a hard time killing them, then to the point you can't kill them all. If you can't kill at least one of them, then you've been completely meta'd . They usually go with mekansm as they are usually "push" builds. They care not the kills, they care to destroy your ancient
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:17 am Post subject: |
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Found the effing way around them. Weird I used abaddon against them and I didn't feel them being insane bots. hahahahahah it's kinda weird actually. 
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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:48 am Post subject: |
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Guys, need help,
What would be the recommended build for wes, quart and exort? I mean the level per level progression? And what would be the best build of items for this hero?
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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:37 am Post subject: |
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Personally, I prefer high-Exort builds, with splashes of Wex and Quas for Ghost Walk.
Exort
-something else- (Quas, I think, for the extra regen early game)
Exort
-something else- (Quas, again)
Invoke
Exort
-something else- (Wex, if you're fighting a hunting party for GW)
and so on...
Though, that's just me. (And I'd like to note that I haven't played a game of Dota in a month already!)
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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Q wrote: | Personally, I prefer high-Exort builds, with splashes of Wex and Quas for Ghost Walk.
Exort
-something else- (Quas, I think, for the extra regen early game)
Exort
-something else- (Quas, again)
Invoke
Exort
-something else- (Wex, if you're fighting a hunting party for GW)
and so on...
Though, that's just me. (And I'd like to note that I haven't played a game of Dota in a month already!) |
items???
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erwin
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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:21 am Post subject: |
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I suggest getting exort first, then getting quas at 2, then wex at 4. maximize exort first, then wex. Your key skills would be Chaos MEteor (EEW) and "Sonic Boom" thing (QWE).
If you're looking for a caster build, then go for guinsoo or malevolence asap. You could try my build, Mjolnir first
oghma's build is 4 bracers at first, trying to aggro, then build the malevolence.
NOTE: This build only works at 6.53, as the Invoker has been nerfed (IMO) as his key skills have been increased cd. Though invoke is now at lvl 2. which is pretty interesting.
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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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Try these bot combinations dark_axis:
THE NEGATIVE BUFFS TEAM:
Slaardar
Shadow Priest
Leviathan
Nevermore
then either Bristleback or Vengeful Spirit
THE GREAT PUSH:
Tormented Soul
Black Arachnia
Prophet
Sandking
Magnataur
HEAL THE WORLD:
Omniknight
Enchantress
Holy Knight
Huskar
Shadow Priest
OLYMPIC RUNNERS:
Slaardar
Bone Clinkz
Nerubian Weaver
Barathrum
Dark Seer
That's it for now... I've tried them all and they're pretty tough. The negative buffs team is my favorite. Would really shred your armor to bits.
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